I briefly confused myself.

Engies like to build their dispensers up against walls, because if they don’t they’re liable to get sentry-griefed (undisguise behind the dispenser). Often times they build their sentry “parallel” to the wall (so the wider side faces the wall, narrow sides do not) or in a corner. When they do this and it’s too close to slide in behind it but not totally adjacent you can sit up on the sentry as a spy and be far enough back that you won’t shimmer when people run up against it. If you have the normal watch you can stay there indefinitely, too–it’s good for a stealthy recharge if the sentry is level 3!

running with the normal watch gets you twice as far as running with C&D, BUT, if you’re willing to sacrifice some speed, you can go twice as far as the normal watch by simply crouching and using cloak and dagger. Yes folks, it’s true. Crouching triples the C&D cloak time, so long as you’re not in a hurry.

Ahh, but what about Turbine? =D

Anyway, that’s not a guarantee. Spy is the only class where you can play PERFECTLY–do your job, get everything right, etc–and still end up dead last on the scoreboard.

Of course, some people are cheating scum too. I just got done playing a game (or rather, i quit because there’s no point) where an enemy pyro could obviously see me while cloaked. Every time i got anywhere NEAR their base he’d run over, flame me, then run back to guarding his post. Sigh.

Along with the most recent nerf to the Deadringer, the only good changes to the spy this update is the Ambassador, Disguise changes and enemy teleporter use.

In true Valve fashion, they were also kind enough to throw in 2 anti spy unlocks to Sniper, and bring in another backstab system that is buggy as hell.

I have vast amounts of respect for anyone who takes that much punishment, and still continues playing the class with one of the steepest learning curves. ((Don’t forget that the Demoman literally has learning curves, or arcs.))

As for running into people, well…that’s an artifact left over from using the normal cloak. See, with the C&D you have effectively infinite cloak, so you aren’t bound to the old way of cutting corners short everywhere you go. You can go wide now, and watch for people coming around the bend. Then you’re limited only by your caution, and the probability of a cloaked enemy spy awkwardly bumping into you as you pass through a doorway.

The last thing I’d say is don’t feel as if you have to hide in corners. If you’re confident in your ability to dodge incoming players, you can sit in the middle of a room just fine. Saves you from spychecking pyros too, often enough – they tend to check corners, hallways, and doorways the most. Stay away from those if someone’s suspicious and you might stand a better chance.

I think you’ll find with a little practice you can cut down on frustrating deaths by a huge margin. Just be patient, and don’t try to rush yourself through.

This isn’t foolproof of course, random spam can still hit you and if your low on cloak ya might not get far enough away, but it should atleast save you from having them walk into/shoot where you are once in a while.

It’s just that you’ll have to desperately scramble for hiding spots again D:

It’s really hard to drop

But yes, it’s quite agreeable that even the most skilled spies will be killed repetitively by skill-less pyros, probably numerous times per map.