and grenades… nope, dont need em or want em…

It could be an epic troll, you know

A lot of people don’t like the achievements = unlockables thing. That has been made clear by the community. The main difficulty is that it punishes casuals who just want to try out the new toys and don’t see why they have to put in a lot of grinding for sidegrades. There has been quite a lot of achievement hacking, as demonstrated by recent TF2blog entries, and obviously Valve want to find a solution where people don’t feel the need to do this and they don’t feel the need to hand out punishments.

However, Valve don’t want to abandon the idea completely because a) they’re already committed to achievements and b) they want people to keep playing the game over a period of time.

Their solution? When you kill somebody carrying an unlockable, you can pick it up and put it in your backpack, providing you’re willing to part with your old gun. How exactly they’ll manage this concept I don’t know. My guess is that if you DO decide to go with the unlockable, you’re stuck with it for as long as it takes for you to kill somebody carrying your old weapon. When you get the requisite number of achievements, you’ll simply get the option to switch between them freely.

The “+1″ stuff I don’t know for sure about, but I’ll hazard a guess. Now they’ve battened crits all the way down, they’re looking for new ways to give positive feedback to players who do well. So let’s say you kill a bunch of guys and capture a point: waddaya know! Your level 1 Stickie Launcher is now level 2, with an clip of 9 instead of 8. It lasts for as long as you stay alive: the beauty of course being, the guy who had the nouse to kill you has the chance to pick up your powered up weapon. Again, how this will work I’m not sure. In this instance, perhaps if you’re a Demo yourself you can immediately pick it up, and if you’re something else you can stow it in your inventory to use in the next life you decide to roll Demo? Who knows.

Course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe they’re just going to turn it into World of Fortress 2. Shining Rocket Launcher of Justice +7. I’d probably still play it. Exciting times, gentlemen.

If you must implement them, make it limited, so that you can only throw one every 15 seconds, or only give each person one that has to be refilled. And even then, I still have my doubts.

@Helispoe: Get a gravatar and email set up for it. Makes it so much clearer. XD

Scout: seems like a bad idea to give the speedster an area of effect weapon (hey I just realized, if grenades do return, the whiners can say it’s the equivalent of wizard spells in rpgs, no winning with these people) when crowds and sentries are his main weaknesses.

Soldier: Could work, but how would giving him grenades be any different from just using the rocket launcher?

Pyro: regular grenades could be a mid range alternative, I’d be against incendiary ones that could obsolete the flare gun.

Demoman: what purpose would this serve that pipe bombs and stickies don’t already cover?

Heavy: could be useful for groups, allowing him to do damage to them all rather then obliterate them one by one with the minigun.

Engineer: Tough to say, could help him defend his sentry or make him think he should just abandon it and frag people instead.

Medic: He’s tough enough frankly, giving him another weapon is a bad idea.

Sniper: Largely the same as the engineer, could be a last ditch defense, or make him think he’s the grenadier. I’m against the idea of helping him at all in close range combat.

Spy: Largely the same as the scout, too easy to sneak behind a group and then set off some fireworks, causing all kinds of confusion and death.

That is either an obsolete piece of code or a certain class gets throwable weapons, like the pyro, for example, but i doubt it.

It was probably Kollega.

What is this??? I swear if they implement grenades into TF2 i’m ragequitting.”

Demoman grenade types, maybe?