A Look at TF2’s Soon to Be Used Content; Part 2.5
A quick look at the GCFs again for the 3rd article in my unused content after the recent update involving the backpack brought me this huge nugget of info hidden in tf_english.txt in the Content GCFs. Noticeably involving the “new system” for weapons.
The Backpack hides a few secrets.
//—————————————————————————————-
// Items
“TF_Open_Charinfo” ”Open Character Loadout”“Item” ”Item”
“SelectedItemNumber” ”#%selecteditem%”
“NewItemsAcquired” ”%numitems% NEW ITEMS ACQUIRED!”
“NewItemAcquired” ”NEW ITEM ACQUIRED!”
“NextItem” ”VIEW\nNEXT >”
“PreviousItem” ”VIEW\n< PREV”
“CloseItemPanel” ”OK, RESUME GAME”
“ChangeLoadout” ”EQUIP THIS ITEM NOW…”“CharInfoAndSetup” ”CHARACTER INFO AND SETUP”
“Loadout” ”LOADOUT”
“Stats” ”STATS”
“Achievements” ”ACHIEVEMENTS”“CharacterLoadout” ”CHARACTER LOADOUT”
“SelectClassLoadout” ”SELECT A CLASS TO MODIFY LOADOUT”
“NoSteamNoItems” ”LOADOUT NOT AVAILABLE – COULD NOT CONNECT TO STEAM”
“LoadoutChangesUpdate” ”NOTE: LOADOUT CHANGES WILL TAKE EFFECT ON RESPAWN.”
“EquipYourClass” ”EQUIP YOUR %loadoutclass%”
“Equip” ”EQUIP”
“Keep” ”KEEP”
“ClassBeingEquipped” ”%loadoutclass%”
“ChangeButton” ”CHANGE…”
“DoneButton” ”DONE!”
“EquipSelectedWeapon” ”EQUIP SELECTED WEAPON”
“ItemSel_PRIMARY” ”- PRIMARY WEAPON”
“ItemSel_SECONDARY” ”- SECONDARY WEAPON”
“ItemSel_MELEE” ”- MELEE WEAPON”
“ItemSel_PDA” ”- PDA”
“ItemSel_ITEM1″ ”- ACCESSORY”
“ItemSel_HEAD” ”- HEADWEAR”
“TF_BackCarat” ”<< BACK”
“TF_CancelCarat” ”<< CANCEL”
“TF_BackToMainMenu” ”<< BACK TO MAIN MENU”
“TF_ResumeGame” ”<< RESUME GAME”
“InventoryCountOne” ”(1 OTHER IN INVENTORY)”
“InventoryCountMany” ”(%s1 OTHERS IN INVENTORY)”
“CurrentlyEquipped” ”CURRENTLY EQUIPPED:”
“CurrentlyEquippedCarat” ”CURRENTLY EQUIPPED >”
“ItemsFoundShort” ”(%s1 ITEMS IN INVENTORY)”
“ItemsFoundShortOne” ”(ONE ITEM IN INVENTORY)”
“NoItemsExistShort” ”(NO ITEMS EXIST YET)”
“NoItemsExistLong” ”(NO SPECIAL ITEMS FOR %loadoutclass% EXIST YET.)”
“NoItemsFoundShort” ”(NO ITEMS FOUND YET)”
“NoItemsFoundLong” ”(NO SPECIAL ITEMS FOR %loadoutclass% HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED YET.)”
“NoItemsAvailableTitle” ”AVAILABLE:”
“NoItemsAvailableTitle2″ “BASE INVENTORY ONLY.”
“ItemAcquireReason_Achievement” “ACHIEVEMENT EARNED”
“NoItemsToEquip” ”YOU HAVE NO ITEMS FOR THIS LOADOUT SLOT”
“SelectNoItemSlot” ”Empty”
“BackpackTitle” ”BACKPACK”
“X_DeleteItem” ”X DELETE”
“X_DiscardItem” ”X DISCARD”
“DeleteItemConfirmTitle” ”ARE YOU SURE?”
“DeleteItemConfirmText” ”Deleting this item will permanently destroy it. This cannot be undone.”
“X_DeleteItemConfirmButton” ”X YEAH, DELETE IT”
“Backpack_Delete_Item” ”BACKPACK – DELETE ITEM”
“DiscardExplanation” ”You picked up this item but you don’t have room for it in your pack.”
“DiscardExplanation2″ ”Delete an item below to make room or press discard to throw your new item away.”
“Discarded” ”DISCARDED!”“LoadoutSlot_Primary” ”Primary weapon”
“LoadoutSlot_Secondary” ”Secondary weapon”
“LoadoutSlot_Melee” ”Melee weapon”
“LoadoutSlot_Grenade” ”Grenade”
“LoadoutSlot_Building” ”Building”
“LoadoutSlot_pda” ”Primary PDA”
“LoadoutSlot_pda2″ ”Secondary PDA”
“LoadoutSlot_Head” ”Head”“ItemTypeDesc” ”Level %s1 %s2″ // s1 is the level number, s2 is the item type. Example: “Level 4 Medigun”
“of” ”of”// Attribute descriptions
“Attrib_ClipSize_Positive” ”+%s1% Clip size”
“Attrib_ClipSize_Negative” ”%s1% Clip size”
“Attrib_UberchargeRate_Positive” ”+%s1% ÜberCharge rate”
“Attrib_UberchargeRate_Negative” ”%s1% ÜberCharge rate”
“Attrib_DamageDone_Positive” ”+%s1% Damage done”
“Attrib_DamageDone_Negative” ”%s1% Damage done”
“Attrib_HealRate_Positive” ”+%s1% Heal rate”
“Attrib_HealRate_Negative” ”%s1% Heal rate”
“Attrib_FireRate_Positive” ”+%s1% Faster firing speed”
“Attrib_FireRate_Negative” ”%s1% Slower firing speed”
“Attrib_OverhealAmount_Positive” ”+%s1% Overheal bonus”
“Attrib_OverhealDecay_Disabled” ”Overheal bonus doesn’t decay”
“Attrib_OverhealDecay_Positive” ”Overheal bonus decays %s1% slower”
“Attrib_OverhealDecay_Negative” ”Overheal bonus decays %s1% faster”
“Attrib_HealOnHit_Positive” ”+%s1 Health on hit”
“Attrib_HealOnHit_Negative” ”%s1 Health on hit”
“Attrib_CritChance_Positive” ”+%s1 Critical hit chance”
“Attrib_CritChance_Negative” ”%s1 Critical hit chance”
“Attrib_CritChance_Disabled” ”No critical hits”
“Attrib_AddUber_OnHit_Positive” ”Add %s1% ÜberCharge on hit”
“Attrib_Medigun_CritBoost” ”ÜberCharge grants 100% critical chance”
“Attrib_DamageDoneBonus_Positive” ”+%s1% Damage bonus on hit”
“Attrib_CritVsBurning” ”100% Critical hit vs burning players”
“Attrib_DmgPenaltyVsNonBurning” ”%s1% damage vs non-burning players”
“Attrib_NoCritVsNonBurning” ”No critical hits vs non-burning players”
“Attrib_ModFlamethrowerPush” ”No compression blast”
“Attrib_ModFlamethrower_BackCrits” ”100% Critical hits from behind”
“Attrib_MaxHealth_Positive” ”+%s1 Max health”
“Attrib_FistsHaveRadialBuff” ”On Kill: +50 Health on nearby teammates\nOn Kill: +10% Crit Chance on nearby teammates”
“Attrib_CritBoost_OnKill” ”On Kill: %s1 seconds of 100% critical chance”
“Attrib_Slow_Enemy_OnHit” ”%s1% chance to slow target on hit”
“Attrib_Spread_Negative” ”%s1% shot spread penalty”
“Attrib_BatLaunchesBalls” ”This bat knocks out a mean stun ball”
“Attrib_DmgPenaltyVsNonStunned” ”%s1% damage vs non-stunned players”
“Attrib_Scattergun_HasKnockback” ”Knockback on the target and shooter”
“Attrib_BulletsPerShot_Bonus” ”+%s1% bullets per shot”
“Attrib_NoDoubleJump” ”Disables double jump”// Unique item names
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Medigun1″ ”The Kritzkrieg”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Syringegun1″ ”The Blutsauger”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Bonesaw1″ ”The Ubersaw”“TF_Unique_Achievement_FireAxe1″ ”The Axtinguisher”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_FlareGun” ”The Flare Gun”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Flamethrower” ”The Backburner”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_LunchBox” ”The Sandvich”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Minigun” ”Natascha”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Fists” ”The Killing Gloves of Boxing”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Bat” ”The Sandman”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_Scattergun_Double” “The Force-A-Nature”
“TF_Unique_Achievement_EnergyDrink” ”Bonk! Atomic Punch”“TF_Wearable_Headgear” ”Headgear”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Scout” ”Batter’s Helmet”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Sniper” ”Tooth Belt”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Soldier” ”Soldier’s Helmet”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Demoman” ”Fro”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Medic” ”Medic’s Helmet”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Pyro” ”Pyro’s Helmet”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Heavy” ”Football Helmet”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Engineer” ”Mining Helmet”
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Spy” ”Spy’s Helmet”
All the bolded stuff is very interesting stuff. Most of it hints at a new dropped randomized item system. Be on the lookout for this.
Stumble it!
Nicomallo responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 1:50 pm #
This really doesn’t add to the characters very well at all.
You know, with football being russian, and the spy being the type of guy who would wear a helmet.
Jesse responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 1:51 pm #
Interesting.
Also, DemoFro.
Nicomallo responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 1:52 pm #
I honestly hope this does not happen. Sure, it’ll be neat to spice up the game for a few days, or even weeks, but sooner or later, the n00bie’s of the world will start complaining profusely.
Himmelstoss responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 1:56 pm #
Yes, this looks bad.
Also, the reset stats is horrible – it resets HOURS as well as points. That’s terrible. It now says I have zero hours though I should be having 480+.
I don’t think TF2 needs more randomness, to be honest. Hoping to god valve doesn’t fuck this up like they did with the scout update.
Nicomallo responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:03 pm #
Hey that wasnt me… ^ (the second one that is)
kanodin responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:07 pm #
I’m honestly quite confused what purpose deleting weapons will serve. even if their are random drops you’d think Valve would have the good sense to keep achievement earned weapons distinct from randomly dropped silly hats or whatever they may be instead of limiting the space of both and forcing you to choose between them.
And further more, why on earth would you release it now when there is no discernible reason for deleting items yet. I know Valve is a fan of being cryptic but this is ludicrious.
In short, it’s new and quite different and therefore frightening. Damn you change, sneaking up on us like this.
kanodin responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:09 pm #
Wow, just checked himme’s stats for curiousity and it really did completely nuke his history, this seems like further indication of the overdoing of this new system.
Sobchak responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:13 pm #
This scares me…deeply.
son i am disappoint responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:15 pm #
Wh-..what?
I thought TF2 was the next WoW when I saw stun items.
Now seemingly random drops in maps?
ah| Dr. Dick responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:27 pm #
You know…I’m sure those “attribute” ones are just about the unlocks we already have or will get soon. The “100% crits on burning targets is the axtinguisher.
Cliff responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 2:29 pm #
Before this was up, in the previous post, I mentioned crazy hats, and how I was for them.
All I can say now is hell freaking yes.
BJJ responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 3:01 pm #
You guys are overthinking this.
The attributes are just for defining the different features of an unlock. They’re not customizable or something. Backburner is ‘100% crits from behind’.
I don’t get the point of deleting unlocks, but whatever.
The hats are clientside, so they can be turned off.
The names are placeholders, just like some of the achievement names in the GCF have little relation to the actual things you have to do to get the achievements.
We already know that weapons have levels, but they don’t mean anything anyway.
…and where the hell did you get ‘random drops’ from?
“NoItemsExistLong” ”(NO SPECIAL ITEMS FOR %loadoutclass% EXIST YET.)”
“NoItemsFoundShort” ”(NO ITEMS FOUND YET)”
“NoItemsFoundLong” ”(NO SPECIAL ITEMS FOR %loadoutclass% HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED YET.)”
“NoItemsAvailableTitle” ”AVAILABLE:”
“NoItemsAvailableTitle2? “BASE INVENTORY ONLY.”
It just says this already, if you mouse over a class with no unlocks yet.
Crazazazazy responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 3:02 pm #
I dont think “helmet” means foot ball helmet necessarily, just another word for hat, or a place holder for the ones they haven’t thought of yet
Nice Boat responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 3:31 pm #
But the LoadoutSlot_Head is intriguing to me. That and the existence of plural versions of the additional items message. I dunno where this is going, and I dunno if I’m looking forwards to this…
Kollega responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 3:33 pm #
“Helmet” is a placeholder – Spy wouldn’t wear a helmet. And “secondary PDA” is just Engi’s “Destruction PDA”. Other than that – WOW. Just WOW.
Jammers responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 4:00 pm #
Man this looks cool.
And hell yea resetting my stats, that one time I farmed sniper headshots when I first played the game with a friend will trouble me no longer!
Random item drops oh lawd.
lfg, farming 4 epic axe
Jammers responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 4:14 pm #
Yes, they’re turning TF2 into an RPG where you can clutter your inventory.
YEEES.
Nice Boat responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 4:39 pm #
Thinking about it a bit more, could this be a sign of the long fabled story mode? Please be story mode.
Lawlingbawl responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 4:50 pm #
who has the balls to delete their sandman they so vehemently oppose
Mechaflash responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 4:53 pm #
This better be some kind of sick joke. God I hope it is.
Jammers responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 4:54 pm #
>check inv
>
>You look in your inventory and see:
>A rare flamethrower of +10 dps, -20 ammo
>A battered shotgun granting +1 jump on equip
>Polished glass axe
>A gas mask (resists one (1) headshot)
Gabe responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 5:10 pm #
Uh, does agent dracula write http://www.tf2blog.com, or is there a thief on the loose?
Gabe responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 5:11 pm #
Oh. Ohhhhhh. Nevermind, tf2blog lifted it (with attribution) from here.
GeneralGoose responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 5:31 pm #
Wow. It sounds like the Heavy will get an afro.
Wow.
Zanpa responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 6:36 pm #
Backpack graphics are totally fucked up.
I’ve yet to see if this will be AWESOME OMG THAT ROCKS, or OH MY GOD VAVLE WHAT DID YOU DO AN UBERSAW THAT STUNS PEOPLE.
Monchberter responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 7:59 pm #
Heavy should get his mullet back:
http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=4338&page=1
soylent robot responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 8:10 pm #
hey himmel, you can lull players into false senses of security now!
“hey this guy hasnt been playing this long-OHJESUSHE’SCRAZYAWESOME”
Paper Shadow responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 9:04 pm #
Team Fortress 2 Blog – “In addition, we’ve got another update in the works that should be done before the Sniper, and that one will include some new content for all classes.”
“…and that one will include some new content for all classes.”
Hats are coming soon!
Manta Engie! » Blog Archive » Valve actually implementing RPG-style items in TF2? responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 9:23 pm #
[...] the looks of it we’ll be getting randomized weapons with variable attributes. Ubercharged.net already has more on this [...]
Dracula Guy responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 9:51 pm #
Here is a little more clarification for you all about some of these. About the whole Primary/Secondary PDA. The engie doesn’t have them in his loadout screen currently. If you look at some of the loadout stats, note they all use variables, instead of using normal numbers; and that variable is exactly the same for each one. Now, note about the headgear, I believe there will be normal headgear, and individual class headgear. Note the ““TF_Unique_Headgear_*” prefix.
Dracula Guy responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 10:07 pm #
Also, the whole “DiscardExplanation” ”You picked up this item but you don’t have room for it in your pack.” “DiscardExplanation2? ”Delete an item below to make room or press discard to throw your new item away.” Seems to pretty much prove the item drop.
Sinister Minister responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:09 pm #
*clap clap* Bravo, UC. You could not have blown this more out of proportion than you have now.
sam responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:09 pm #
TF2 more RPG-esque?
YES PLEASE
Mickyan responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:13 pm #
Uhm..
HOLY F*CKING SHIT.
Tesla Tank responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:18 pm #
I expect as much of this is a bluff to throw as of as it is real. I think we can safely say there’ll be non-unique unlockable gear for all classes, but don’t go overspeculating until this is released.
sam responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:19 pm #
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Demoman” ”Fro”
Lol’d
And yes it’s me again^ Because when I got to thinking it:
There are also drawbacks on the list of special attributes list. Maybe we’ll get customizable, dynamic weapons? Less damage –> more crits like, or anything else you can come up with… And maybe you’d have to earn the customization points somehow…
Anyway, this seems extremely interesting. My crystal ball says we’ll see in a month. Go Valve! They made this game, they won’t fuck it up, trust me on this one.
John Freeman responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:49 pm #
Im holding back all judgments till changes arrive (if they do at all). Could be interesting/fun, could go totally wrong. But this has some potential. Only thing i dont seem to get is why would they give us the possibility to delete out unlocks? At least why now?
Von Epp responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:54 pm #
My initial reaction is that this will be bad for the team based focus of the game. I can foresee non-team oriented players just running around, not helping with objectives, and grabbing all the unique items before the actually useful teammates can grab them. On the other hand, if you could pick stuff up and run it back to other teammates, this might up the team play element for scouts and spies. For instance, if scouts could run ammo boxes back to engineers, or spies could pilfer good stuff from behind enemy lines and bring it back.
I’m kind of hoping this is just an addition to give people greater control of customizing the game. It’s also possible that this will be specific to a certain game type. But we’ll see how this all gets implemented.
Toasty! responded on 21 Apr 2009 at 11:58 pm #
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Demoman” ”Fro”
God Yes.
Zorgulon responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 12:31 am #
When they said new content, I was thinking voice responses (which I still hope happen).
This is… interesting. I reserve judgement until the true glorious/horrific nature of the changes is revealed.
Remember, just because they’re in the code does not necessarily mean they will be used.
BJJ responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 12:38 am #
Goddamn you guys.
You totally aren’t paying attention.
There is NOTHING that says there will be random weapons with different stats and somehow you managed to get half the internet convinced.
Monchberter responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 12:41 am #
All, go read and laugh at the most hillarious trolling / parody thread on Steam Forums http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844795
mew4ever23 responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 1:15 am #
Stat reset? God yes, my stats are so VERY screwed up.
Permanent deletion of unlockable weapons is a TERRIBLE idea in my opinion. If we do delete unlockables, reset the achievements so that (if we want) we can earn them again.
slipstream responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 1:19 am #
…
Am I the only person in the world who is looking forward to this?
Dark Master responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 1:38 am #
Just remember; when you reset your stats, make sure you write down your hours before you do so. A good idea is to add that info to your steam id page.
nineteen responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 1:53 am #
So, uh, has everybody calmed down yet?
cbf reading all the comments, so I dunno if this has already been called, but here’s my $0.02
Delort an item, sure, you can never re-earn it again. RE-EARN. But you can pick up somebody else’s dropped one. This stops all this variable stats bullshittery that the mouthbreathers who can’t get their tiny minds around RPGs fear.
As someone with a full complement of unlocks, I’m not sure what kind of inventory space we’ve got lined up, but assuming the current inv screen is something to go by, there’ll be plenty to go round.
So, if you can delete an item, but are allowed to re-collect it again later when you find one.. and there doesn’t seem to be any kind of imposed inventory limit (as yet), what’s the point?
..I have no idea. Go bug Valve.
That being said, there’s always the possibility that they’re further removing the the ties between achievements and unlocks.. you can farm/earn your first 12 achieves for the item, or you can wait til you manage to ’splode some poor fool who already did, and steal his.
tl;dr – Valve aren’t so desperate for attention that they’ll permanently steal your stuff so there’s (more) 13yearolds BAWWWWing on the steam forums about how their LITTL BROTHER GOT ON MAH COMP N DELETED MY ITEMZZ ;_;
Spybait responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 2:03 am #
If you hear agonized screaming, that’s me. Don’t panic.
OH GOD VALVE WHYYYYYY
taipoh responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 2:11 am #
I do hope it doesn’t complicate the game any further, that’s the reason why I like this game; fun, quirky, and easy to pick up (even though obviously hard to master).
gogobaby responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 2:23 am #
Next we get Exp in TF2…
Will go an hero.
sam responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 2:52 am #
By the way, one big question remains that could bring some assurance:
were these lines:
// Attribute descriptions
“Attrib_ClipSize_Positive” ”+%s1% Clip size”
“Attrib_ClipSize_Negative” ”%s1% Clip size”
“Attrib_UberchargeRate_Positive” ”+%s1% ÜberCharge rate”
“Attrib_UberchargeRate_Negative” ”%s1% ÜberCharge rate”
“Attrib_DamageDone_Positive” ”+%s1% Damage done”
“Attrib_DamageDone_Negative” ”%s1% Damage done”
“Attrib_HealRate_Positive” ”+%s1% Heal rate”
…and so forth in the .txt-file before this update?
Sam responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 3:14 am #
…Because if they weren’t, we likely have the new random weapons. That’s not 100% sure though, because it could just be a new in-code system for unlock effects.
John responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 3:15 am #
People whinned when TF2 was first announced a Cartoon shooter, people whinned when the first unlockables were announced AND GEE WHAT A SURPRISE, people whinning when Valve is implementing something NEW!?
John responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 3:16 am #
People whinned when TF2 was first announced a Cartoon shooter, people whinned when the first unlockables were announced AND GEE WHAT A SURPRISE, people are whinning… again!? Can’t you guys atleast PLAY it before whinning, you know, just for once?
fishface60 responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 3:30 am #
The Heavy’s helmet better be a mullet.
Spider(Donut-Face)Man responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 3:52 am #
The Pyro’s helmet better be a human skull set alight over his gasmask, but with the mouth bit sticking out the skull’s jaw. Also his eyes must stick out the gaps!
NOW GO DO YOUR WORK VALVE!
Sam responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 4:35 am #
The Pyro’s helmet better be the crown used in the swedish lucia festivities http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/uutiset/kotimaa/ajankohtaista/2007/488743_138×200.jpg
Killa-Ewok responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 4:56 am #
You talkin’ ’bout the Lucia crown? God it has started oh so many fires I have witnessed up here in Finland.
Sam responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 5:02 am #
Perfect for the pyro.
Killa-Ewok responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 5:10 am #
Pyro is fireproof.
BJJ responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 6:22 am #
Again. Doesn’t say random drops. ANYWHERE.
Alex responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 6:28 am #
This will certainly be interesting. Also coupled with the recent small update, this looks conlcusive, but then you never know what valve may have put in to get the forums shouting about it, simply as an excitement factor. Myself, I am wondering what exactly the spy’s hat could look like…
Sarda responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 7:44 am #
@BJJ
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698581
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804248
http://deadworkers.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=2142
Hi.
Mickyan responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 8:47 am #
You’ve been complaining that people farmed achievements to get weapons, now it’s not needed. What are you exactly complaining about?
It’s not like it’s gonna turn out so that the one that got the best equip will win. It’s gonna be like normal unlockable items. Usually better than the normal ones, but with side effects. You wont find a rocket launcher that has a 10 rockets clip and does 300% damage, you can trust me on that.
You won’t be looking for the “best weapon”, you will be looking for the best weapon for you, some will be a little better than others, but team fortress isn’t turning in a “the one that got the best weapon after playing for days wins no matter what” kind of game. Have faith in Valve. Don’t judge untill you’ve actually experienced the whole thing. If it’s gonna unbalance the game I’m sure valve will remove the whole feature. Don’t always be so pessimistic.
LaZodiac responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 9:18 am #
When me and a friend checked the update, and it said “added changes to load out for future content” I totaly called the head equips before we even looked at the load out screen.
I’ve never enjoyed being so right before.
Mickyan responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 9:19 am #
^ umm, that isn’t me…
Mickyan responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 9:32 am #
This isn’t me either. ^^
n00bie51 responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 9:35 am #
Copy+pasted from my post in the thread in the forums about the same topic:
“You know, I’m thinking about it…
Valve must realize that they’re upsetting a crapload of people with this update that seems to hint at radical changes in the near future. Although I would be one of the first to harshly criticize Valve for the decisions and changes they’ve made to TF2, I think they understand the community would be extremely uncomfortable and oppose whatever changes that are speculated (such as TF2 turning into some kind of retarded RPG). In the end, I have some trust in Valve and I don’t think it’s going to be as bad as we’re making it out to be, despite our (quite reasonable) concerns and doubts.
I mean, I’ve criticized unlockable content and I probably won’t be the biggest fan with whatever Valve has in store for us soon, but I have faith in them. This is coming from me, somebody who despises some of the changes they’ve made in this game and will continue to do so for a long time.”
Sinister Minister responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 9:58 am #
@Sarda: And those threads are why you people should shut up about all this.
NOTHING IS CONCRETE. WAIT UNTIL OFFICIAL VALVE CONFIRMATION. DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT STUFF THAT IS NOT EVEN LIKELY TO BE THERE.
kanodin responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 10:40 am #
Why do some people have this rampant hatred of any speculation?Obviously no one’s saying we have conclusive proof, it’s just looking more and more likely, what is so wrong with uncovering such evidence?
Granted, the compalining before they exist is not as easy to defend, but in all fairness this is a huge chance, and people find even small chances uncomfortable. If anything I would blame Valve for all your woes, releasing this kind of stuff without all the information is going to spark a fire of rage and fear, something Valve should know by now, I’m guessing they just like to watch it burn at this point.
kanodin responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 10:41 am #
argh I meant change not chance’s, gotta pay more attention to grammar, less to snazzy metaphor.
n00bie51 responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 11:55 am #
I’m in agreement, kanodin, and I blame Valve for not enlightening us on these future changes, but I trust what they’re going to do is going to appeal to the majority in the end.
HelisPoe responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 12:29 pm #
@n00bie51
That’s the Valve we all and adore.
Hey, we’re still lovin’ their games right?
I think they’re onto something good if we’re still playing their awesome games.
Hmm..
So I just agreed.
Interesting.
kanodin responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 12:37 pm #
I’m confident it will work out in the end noobie. I can’t say if random drops will be good or not although I can certainly see them being fun if done right. If it’s something else entirely, well that will be interesting to see.
In any even I highly doubt any of the doomsayers will be even close to the mark. And worst case scenario they are right, people hate it, Valve being Valve see this and actually fix it (eventually).
n00bie51 responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 12:38 pm #
I’m still going to call it like and see it when I see something that’s wrong with the game (and will say that TF2 has PROBLEMS and is FAR from perfect), but I’m just saying, all this fretting about and rampant speculation is somewhat unwarranted and over the top.
Jigsaw responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 1:31 pm #
“LoadoutSlot_Grenade” ”Grenade”
What is this??? I swear if they implement grenades into TF2 i’m ragequitting.
Sinister Minister responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 2:52 pm #
@kanodin: I’m not angry about speculation, i’m angry about the “OMG VALVE R STOOPID FOR DOING THIS I DUN WANNA PLAY AN RPG, I’M PLAYING AN FPS WAAHHH” crap. I made the mistake of reading the Steam forum threads that were posted and i’m already sick of seeing the many, many people that are jumping to conclusions and NOT speculating.
Scattergunner responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 3:55 pm #
Interesting, but it’s rly difficult to not-jump-to-a-quick-conclusion so if u r d kind of guy that gets mad when u see some pple fearing his favorite fps is going to change (or has a PROBABILITY of turning ) into an RPG, pls think twice before thinking “OMG this is stupid, they are crying just bcose they see something comming”:.
Talking about d big update it could or couldn’t help d game, that kind of doubts will be finished by time, so please have faith, be patient, wait and u will b able – in some time- to ragequit or to keep enjoyin d game we all love: TF2.
nineteen responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 4:00 pm #
@Scattergunner
d != the
Sam responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 5:26 pm #
My professional opinion as an amateur programmer is that all this evidence Sarda posted makes this matter pretty evident. We ARE getting some kind of random weapon system, AND some kind of drops. There’s nothing connecting the two in there, though (although they sure are likely to be connected). Also, awards. What are they?
To be honest, I’m gonna love this. It’ll be great to further fine tune my weapons towards fitting my play style. (More ammo for me pistol and faster reload for me FaN -_O)
I am heavy weapons guy, and this is my new weapon!
Look forward to this, and don’t be skeptical! It’ll be awesome!
Nicomallo responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 7:23 pm #
Using variables doesn’t have to mean we are getting random weapon stats; vavle are often tweaking the stats of weapons, and probably just find it easier to only have to change the stats in one place rather then have to change every language file by hand.
Jammers responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 8:22 pm #
Actually, I think it’s to make people suddenly become VERY VERY INTERESTED in tf2.
Everybody ever is going to be playing L4D and/or TF2 now since these changes are so amazing.
Btw, could be the new game mode they’ve talked about for a while?
See you guys on the 24/7 mmo_2fort server.
Nicomallo responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 8:36 pm #
I just checked an old version of the gcf, and the variables for weapon stats are still there, so this is nothing new to this update, and probably not a sign of random weapons.
ANGRY responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 10:04 pm #
this helmet stuff is stupid.
and deleting items?
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO?
“i like the game but it would be so much better if i never had to look at that FUCKING SANDVICH EVER AGAIN” ~ Anonymous retard
“Sure thing buddy! Hey! Lets mess up with the spy’s backstab too! That’ll go down well!” ~ Gabe N
n00bie51 responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 10:18 pm #
Bah, I hate typos. I meant, “I’m still going to call it like I see it.”
Sinister Minister responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 11:11 pm #
@Scattergunner: Except that’s exactly what they are doing. Crying because they see something ‘coming’. And it’s not hard at all to not jump to conclusions. It’s called having a brain.
Tim responded on 22 Apr 2009 at 11:26 pm #
Himmel why do have to be so negative about something you don’t even know about? If you don’t know anything about it yet don’t just jump to conclusions that Valve will release a bad update. Also its just a bunch of stats.
Killa-Ewok responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 1:00 am #
I’m really starting to get worried. I hope that Valve is messing with us.
Sam responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 2:08 am #
1.Delete your sandman
2.Post unshooped pics
3.????
4.!!!!
HelisPoe responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 3:33 am #
hey n00bie, why don’t you delete all of your unlocks now, since they’re unfair?
n00bie51 responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 5:37 am #
I never said they’re unfair, and by deleting them I would make it even more unfair because everybody else would have unlocks and I wouldn’t. (The only way I would consider it unfair is that the players who’ve been playing TF2 for some time have an advantage over newbies who haven’t unlocked these items.)
However, I guarantee you if I could press some magic button that would remove all unlockables from TF2, everyone and myself included, I would do it.
HelisPoe responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 7:13 am #
That above comment was not me.
I swear to you.
It was in the morning as well, I sleep at that time!
I need to assign a link to my name now… Now linked to the CP website.
So you all know who is the real HelisPoe.
HelisPoe responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 7:13 am #
Er… well now it is.
Sarda responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 7:41 am #
@Sinister Minister
My post was in response to BJJ’s post of “Again. Doesn’t say random drops. ANYWHERE.”, as was evidenced by the fact that it was a couple posts below his and I said “@BJJ”. Think, people.
Main responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 8:00 am #
““LoadoutSlot_Grenade” ”Grenade”
What is this??? I swear if they implement grenades into TF2 i’m ragequitting.”
Demoman grenade types, maybe?
n00bie51 responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 8:07 am #
Yeah, for some reason I didn’t think it was you, HelisPoe.
It was probably Kollega.
Mickyan responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 8:57 am #
They removed grenades for a reason, they ain’t coming back on that
That is either an obsolete piece of code or a certain class gets throwable weapons, like the pyro, for example, but i doubt it.
Dracula Guy responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 9:10 am #
It’s not an older piece of code.
I went through the same tf_english.txt before the update. No grenades.
Nicomallo responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 10:23 am #
Yeah no hats either, but the variables for unlock stats is still there (I still think you find is amazing though)
Dracula Guy responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 11:26 am #
There was a sort of “OH GOD WHAT DID I FIND” moment for me.
kanodin responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 11:36 am #
Hmm grenades, I never played TFC though like most of you I’ve heard the horror stories about grenades and why Valve had to remove them.
I Suppose I wouldn’t be against a few of them returning, the real question is who should get them?
Scout: seems like a bad idea to give the speedster an area of effect weapon (hey I just realized, if grenades do return, the whiners can say it’s the equivalent of wizard spells in rpgs, no winning with these people) when crowds and sentries are his main weaknesses.
Soldier: Could work, but how would giving him grenades be any different from just using the rocket launcher?
Pyro: regular grenades could be a mid range alternative, I’d be against incendiary ones that could obsolete the flare gun.
Demoman: what purpose would this serve that pipe bombs and stickies don’t already cover?
Heavy: could be useful for groups, allowing him to do damage to them all rather then obliterate them one by one with the minigun.
Engineer: Tough to say, could help him defend his sentry or make him think he should just abandon it and frag people instead.
Medic: He’s tough enough frankly, giving him another weapon is a bad idea.
Sniper: Largely the same as the engineer, could be a last ditch defense, or make him think he’s the grenadier. I’m against the idea of helping him at all in close range combat.
Spy: Largely the same as the scout, too easy to sneak behind a group and then set off some fireworks, causing all kinds of confusion and death.
n00bie51 responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 11:57 am #
TFC was fun, but yes, the carpet bomb of grenade spam was quite excessive and upset the balance of gameplay.
Secret Agent Clank! responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 2:19 pm #
No grenades thank you.
If you must implement them, make it limited, so that you can only throw one every 15 seconds, or only give each person one that has to be refilled. And even then, I still have my doubts.
@Helispoe: Get a gravatar and email set up for it. Makes it so much clearer. XD
Coming Second responded on 23 Apr 2009 at 3:30 pm #
Here is Valve’s thinking, and what is actually going to happen.
A lot of people don’t like the achievements = unlockables thing. That has been made clear by the community. The main difficulty is that it punishes casuals who just want to try out the new toys and don’t see why they have to put in a lot of grinding for sidegrades. There has been quite a lot of achievement hacking, as demonstrated by recent TF2blog entries, and obviously Valve want to find a solution where people don’t feel the need to do this and they don’t feel the need to hand out punishments.
However, Valve don’t want to abandon the idea completely because a) they’re already committed to achievements and b) they want people to keep playing the game over a period of time.
Their solution? When you kill somebody carrying an unlockable, you can pick it up and put it in your backpack, providing you’re willing to part with your old gun. How exactly they’ll manage this concept I don’t know. My guess is that if you DO decide to go with the unlockable, you’re stuck with it for as long as it takes for you to kill somebody carrying your old weapon. When you get the requisite number of achievements, you’ll simply get the option to switch between them freely.
The “+1″ stuff I don’t know for sure about, but I’ll hazard a guess. Now they’ve battened crits all the way down, they’re looking for new ways to give positive feedback to players who do well. So let’s say you kill a bunch of guys and capture a point: waddaya know! Your level 1 Stickie Launcher is now level 2, with an clip of 9 instead of 8. It lasts for as long as you stay alive: the beauty of course being, the guy who had the nouse to kill you has the chance to pick up your powered up weapon. Again, how this will work I’m not sure. In this instance, perhaps if you’re a Demo yourself you can immediately pick it up, and if you’re something else you can stow it in your inventory to use in the next life you decide to roll Demo? Who knows.
Course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe they’re just going to turn it into World of Fortress 2. Shining Rocket Launcher of Justice +7. I’d probably still play it. Exciting times, gentlemen.
Jammers responded on 24 Apr 2009 at 1:50 am #
I’m just gonna wait for the tf2blog post.
It could be an epic troll, you know
Dethbat responded on 25 Apr 2009 at 1:12 am #
“TF_Unique_Headgear_Demoman” ”Fro”
inb4 Pulp Fiction micspams 24/7?
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xadavid responded on 26 Apr 2009 at 6:22 pm #
If they add rpg into this, it might as well be team fortress THREE.
And lets hope those “GRENADES” were the demoman’s D:
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A shrubbery! responded on 29 Apr 2009 at 8:29 am #
I hope that the hats are just to make you look different, because the last thing i need is every idiot in the forums complaining, ruining my game
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Cdn_bacon2 responded on 22 May 2009 at 12:30 pm #
The Double Update Will Most-Likely Make Up For A Crappy Scout Update, Scout Is my Favorite Class, Not MY Best, But MY Favortie
Need More For... responded on 27 Aug 2009 at 7:25 am #
I would just like to see the poor demoman and the soldier finally get something, every other class has gotten an update so far… so hopefully the next one will be these two!
and grenades… nope, dont need em or want em…